Sandde ab Alcwn (abt. 700 - abt. 750)

Born about 0700 in North Wales [uncertain]

Ancestors

Descendants

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Biography

Reliable sources have not yet been found to confirm his existence.

Research Notes

Fabricated Line of Descent

Boyer shows Gwriad in a line of descent going back to Coel Hen ("King Cole"). ^[1] Wolcott's different birth estimates are appended in parentheses. ^[2] Stewart Baldwin, however, states that the genealogy which purports to make Gwriad a direct male-line descendant of Llywarch Hen is almost certainly a late fabrication. ^[3]

1. Coel Hen or Coel Godebog, lived about the year 370 (345)
2. Ceneu ap Coel Hen was born say 400 (380)
3. Gwrwst Ledlum ap Ceneu ap Coel Hen was born say 430 (415)
4. Meirchion Gul ap Gwrwst Ledlum ap Ceneu ap Coel Hen was born say 470 (445).
5. Elidir Lydenwyn ap Merchion Gul ap Gwrwst Ledlum ap Ceneu was born say 500 (485),
6. Llywarch Hen ab Elidir Lydenwyn ap Meirchion Gul ap Gwrwst Ledlum was born say 530 (520)
7. Dwg ap Llywarch Hen ap Elidir Lydewyn ap Meirchion Gul was born say 570 (560).
8. Gwair ap Dwg ap Llywarch Hen ab Elidir Lydenwyn, born say 600
9. Tegid ap Gwair ap Dwg ap Llywarch Hen was born say 630
10. Alcwn ap Tegid ap Gwair ap Dwg, born say 670
11. Sandde ab Alcwn ap Tegid ap Gwair, born say 700 married Celeinion ferch Tudwal ab Anarawd Gwalch-Crwn ap Merfyn Mawr, who was King of Man and reputedly a descendant of Macsen Wledig (Roman Emperor Maximus, who died 388.
12. Elidir ap Sandde ab Alcwn ap Tegid, born say 730
13. Gwriad ab Elidir ap Sandde ab Alcwn, born say 770.

700 Birth and Parents

Sandde ab Alcwn ap Tegid ap Gwair was born, say, 700. ^[4]

Sandde ap Alcun, King of Ynys Manaw, was born about 690 in Rheged (now Cumbria and Lancaster) ^[5]

South Rheged (Old North)

As shown in "The History Files" for the year 0790, Elidyr map Sandde map Alcwn map Tegid map Gwyar map Llywarch Hen is a direct descendant of the last British king of South Rheged. Elidyr's son, Gwriad, becomes king of Gwynedd in 815, still carrying the title, Heir to South Rheged. Physical control of the region, however, has long since fallen to Northumbria, although southern sections may be conquered by Mercia during its ascendancy around this time. ^[6]

Titles

Title: Prince of Rheged, circa 730 Title: King of Ynys Manaw (Isle of Man), circa 730

Marriage

He married Celeinion ferch Tudwal ab Anarawd Gwalch-Crwn ap Merfyn Mawr, who was King of Man and died 682 (681 in Annals of Ulster), reputedly a descendant of Macsen Wledig (Roman Emperor Maximus, who died 388). the line being Merfyn Mawr ap Cyniln ab Anllech ap Tudwal ap Rhun ap Neithon ap Senyllt Hael ap Dingad ap Tudwal ab Ednyfed ab Annum (Dyfed ap Macsen Wledig. ^[4]

He married Celemon verch Tudwal, hewiress of Idwal, born about 695 in Idwal, Strathclyde. ^[5]

"Cair Celemion in the Nennian Catalogue of Cities (see Y Cymmroder, ix, 183) a place which cannot be identified, is likewise so called from a woman's name; for Celemion was the name of the daughter of Tudwal ab Anarod Gwalcherwn (? Gwallterwn), who married Sanddef ab Algwn (or Algun!) and by him was the great-grandmother of Merfyn Frych, who died in 844." ^[7]

Issue

Child, mentioned by Bartrum: Elidir. ^[4]

They were the parents of Elidir ap Sandde, King of Ynys Manaw, born about 720 in Wales. ^[5]

Conflicting Spouse Information

There appears to be some conflicting information about a spouse: Celemion (Tudwal) verch Tudwal [Tudwal-1], Born about 678, Isle of Man, Wales; daughter of Tudwal ap Anarawd vs. Celemion (Tudwal) Alkwyn [Tudwal-19], Born 660 in Hampshire, England

Sources

1. ↑ Carl Boyer, 3rd. Medieval Welsh Ancestors of Certain Americans. Generally follows Bartrum. By the author: Santa Clarita, California, 2004. Coel Hen is #1 on page 63.
2. ↑ Darrell Wolcott. Ancient Wales Studies. Pedigree of the Ancient Lords of Ial Accessed 4 November 2023 jhd
3. ↑ Stewart Baldwin Llywelyn ap Iorwerth ancestor table Accessed 5 August 2022 jhd
4. ↑ ^{4.0 4.1 4.2} Carl Boyer, 3rd. Medieval Welsh Ancestry of Certain Americans. Generally follows Bartrum. By the author: Santa Clarita, California, 2003. Sandde is #20 on page 65.
5. ↑ ^{5.0 5.1 5.2} Brian Daniel Starr. Descendants of Gwawr Verch Brychan Brycheiniog. The Life of Saint Brychan: King of Brycheiniog and Family. By the author: 2008. Page 55. Starr's work is not specifically sourced and is considered unreliable; he notes that his sources include "the internet, genealogies from the internet, Encyclopedias of Saints, Dictionaries of Saints, and Books written about the lives of Saints. Many of these sources cannot be documented." He is cited here to provide possible clues for further research
6. ↑ The History Files. Gealic British Isles and Ireland. Kingdoms of Caledonia and Ireland — Ynys Manau / Isle of Man, added 2014-07-03, amb Regrettably, the site contains no sources and cannot be considered reliable.
7. ↑ J. E. Lloyd. Welsh Place-names: A Study of some common Name-elements. Y Cymmrodor: The Magazine of the Honourable Society of Commrodorion. Egerton Phillimore, ed. London 1890. Volume XI, Part 1, page 49, Footnote.